泽连斯基：美方首次提出以乌军撤出顿巴斯换取加入北约，若有完整安全方案将诉诸全民公投

乌克兰总统泽连斯基11月14日表示，美国谈判代表在最近一轮阿布扎比和谈中首次向乌方提出一个问题：如果乌克兰加入北约，乌方是否愿意从东部顿巴斯地区撤出。泽连斯基的办公室当天公布了他对记者发表的这番谈话。

泽连斯基说：「美国人提出了一个问题：『如果乌克兰加入北约呢？乌克兰会从顿巴斯撤出吗？』」他说，这是和谈中第一次把加入北约与领土让步挂起钩来，「这就是为什么我认为北约回到了议程上。但你们也听到了普京发出的信号，这是一场极其困难的对话。」俄罗斯总统普京长期把乌克兰加入北约称为莫斯科的红线，并以此作为2022年发动全面入侵的理由之一。

泽连斯基重申，基辅尚未准备好割让领土。但他说，如果乌方得到一揽子完整方案，包括安全保障、保留一支强大且资金充足的乌克兰军队的权利，以及重建资金，他会把这个问题交给全民公投决定。另据法新社报道，泽连斯基表示，任何安排都不会承认被占领土属于俄罗斯；美方若会同其他北约伙伴正式确认这一方案，他将征询乌克兰社会是否接受。

泽连斯基还驳回了俄方关于先就欧洲安全架构达成广泛协议、再谈结束战争具体安排的主张，称「这场战争必须先结束」。他拒绝了普京提出的在顿涅茨克州激战城市康斯坦丁尼夫卡实行局部人道停火的建议，称这反映出俄军无力以武力夺取该城，城中平民早已有机会撤离；他说乌方已另外提出七八个有平民受困的前线居民点，可作为人道停火的地点。

本月10日至11日，美国居中斡旋的乌俄谈判在阿联酋首都阿布扎比举行了两天，没有取得重大突破，但双方同意进行一次涉及1000多人的战俘交换，最终数字仍在商定。泽连斯基说，美国总统特使威特科夫与库什纳曾承诺在周四的莫斯科会谈中向普京提出能源停火，但会谈后没有传出进展消息，「普京本人不支持停火」。泽连斯基周四在爱尔兰会见了威特科夫与库什纳，美方谈判代表告诉他，各方已同意让欧洲在后续和谈中占有一席之地；欧盟领导人在都柏林峰会上商定，欧洲谈判团队将由英国、法国、德国、意大利、波兰五个主要军事国家与欧盟官员组成。

关联：跟进：泽连斯基在都柏林拒绝以顿巴斯换安全：割让领土换不来和平

关联：泽连斯基在都柏林说乌克兰要在年底前争取谈判结果，阿布扎比谈判已谈成大规模交换战俘

（来源：路透社）

Zelenskyy: U.S. Floated a Donbas Withdrawal for NATO Membership for the First Time; a Full Security Package Would Go to a Referendum

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on November 14 that U.S. negotiators, during the latest round of peace talks with Russia in Abu Dhabi, had for the first time raised a question with Kyiv: if Ukraine joined NATO, would it withdraw from the eastern Donbas region? Zelenskyy's office released his remarks to reporters on Saturday.

"The Americans raised a question: 'What if Ukraine joins NATO? Would Ukraine withdraw from Donbas?'" Zelenskyy said. He said it was the first time NATO membership had been linked to territorial concessions in the talks. "That is why I believe NATO is back on the agenda. But you have also heard (Russian President Vladimir) Putin's signals, and this is an extremely difficult conversation." Putin has long called Ukrainian NATO membership a red line for Moscow, citing it as one reason for launching Russia's full-scale invasion in 2022.

Zelenskyy reiterated that Kyiv was not ready to concede territory. But he said that if Ukraine received a comprehensive package, including security guarantees, the right to a strong and well-funded Ukrainian army and funds to rebuild, he would put the question to a national referendum. AFP reported that Zelenskyy also said any arrangement would not recognize the occupied territories as Russian, and that if the American side confirmed the proposal together with other NATO partners, he would ask Ukrainian society whether it accepted it.

Zelenskyy also dismissed Russia's call for a broad agreement on the European security architecture before the specifics of ending the war are agreed, saying: "This war must be ended first." He rejected Putin's suggestion of a local humanitarian ceasefire in Kostiantynivka, a fiercely contested city in Donetsk region, saying it reflected Moscow's inability to take the city by force and that civilians there had already had the opportunity to evacuate; he said Ukraine had proposed seven or eight other frontline settlements where civilians are trapped as potential sites for a humanitarian truce.

The two days of U.S.-brokered talks between Ukraine and Russia in the Emirati capital on November 10 and 11 ended without a major breakthrough, though the sides agreed to a prisoner exchange involving more than 1,000 people, with final numbers still under discussion. Zelenskyy said U.S. envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner had pledged to raise an energy ceasefire with Putin at their Moscow meeting on Thursday, but there was no news of progress after those talks: "Putin personally does not support a ceasefire." Zelenskyy met Witkoff and Kushner in Ireland on Thursday; he said the U.S. negotiators told him all sides had agreed for Europe to have a seat at the table in forthcoming peace talks, and EU leaders at the Dublin summit agreed that Europe's team would comprise five major military powers, Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Poland, as well as EU officials.

Related: Follow-up: Zelenskyy in Dublin Rejects Trading Donbas for Security, Saying Ceding Territory Will Not Bring Peace

Related: Zelenskyy in Dublin Says Ukraine Aims for a Talks Outcome by Year-End; Abu Dhabi Talks Agree a Large Prisoner Exchange

(Source: Reuters)

来源：路透社

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