纽森在播客中对柯克说：跨性别运动员参加女子体育「非常不公平」
2025年3月6日，加利福尼亚州州长加文·纽森推出个人播客《This Is Gavin Newsom》首期节目。纽森的州长办公室位于加州萨克拉门托县的州府萨克拉门托市；他请来的首位嘉宾，是31岁的保守派活动人士、Turning Point USA 联合创始人查理·柯克，该组织在2024年大选中帮助特朗普扩大了在年轻选民中的支持。两人在节目中进行了一个多小时的长谈，其中一段谈话围绕跨性别运动员参加女子体育展开。
是柯克先在节目中提出这个话题。他提出，纽森作为州长应当公开表态、明确说跨性别运动员参加女子组比赛不应该发生。纽森回应说：「我认为这是公平问题，我完全同意你的看法。这是公平问题——非常不公平。」
纽森接着说：「我在公平问题上毫不纠结。我完全同意你的看法。……我热爱体育。所以，公平问题完全正当。」美联社报道提到，纽森大学时曾打校队棒球。
纽森同时表示，这场讨论不只关乎竞技优势。他说，其中也有谦卑与体谅：跨性别者「更可能自杀、患有焦虑和抑郁，而人们居高临下地谈论弱势群体的方式，也是一个令我难以接受的问题」；他表示，两件事可以同时拿在手里：一边以体面的方式处理这一问题，一边正视其中的不公平。
纽森在节目中还指出，允许跨性别运动员按其性别认同参赛的加州法律，是在2014年制定的，早于他担任州长的时间。美联社当日报道说，这项法律要求加州学校允许跨性别学生运动员参加与其性别认同一致的学校运动队；共和党州议员今年已在州议会提出法案，试图禁止这一做法，州长办公室对相关提案不予置评，称纽森通常不对审议中的立法表态。
这番表态引发了 LGBTQ 倡导者与部分民主党人的批评。领导加州议会 LGBTQ 核心小组的州众议员 Chris Ward 与州参议员 Carolina Menjivar 表示，他们一觉醒来，对这番言论「深感反感与沮丧」。Equality California 执行主任 Tony Hoang 表示，他对纽森的表态感到「失望和愤怒」，称这番话加重了跨性别群体在特朗普政府之下感受到的伤痛与恐惧。
纽森长期以社会进步派形象著称。2004年，他在担任旧金山市长时曾指示市书记官开始为同性伴侣签发结婚证，由此首次引起全国关注。美联社报道指出，他此次在播客中的表态，采取了与这一长期立场不同的取向。
在联邦层面，特朗普已于2025年2月5日签署第14201号行政令《让男性远离女子体育》，把女子体育的参赛资格按生理性别界定。
关联：特朗普签署《让男性远离女子体育》行政令：女子体育资格按生理性别界定
Newsom Tells Kirk on His New Podcast That Transgender Athletes in Women's Sports Are 'Deeply Unfair'
On March 6, 2025, California Governor Gavin Newsom released the inaugural episode of his personal podcast, "This Is Gavin Newsom." Newsom's office is in Sacramento, the state capital in Sacramento County, California; his first guest was Charlie Kirk, the 31-year-old conservative activist and co-founder of Turning Point USA, the organization that helped President Donald Trump increase his support among the youngest voters in the 2024 election. The two spoke for more than an hour, and one part of the conversation turned to transgender athletes competing in women's sports.
It was Kirk who raised the issue on the program. He pressed Newsom to say, as governor, that transgender athletes competing in girls' and women's events should not happen. Newsom replied: "I think it's an issue of fairness, I completely agree with you on that. It is an issue of fairness — it's deeply unfair."
Newsom continued: "I am not wrestling with the fairness issue. I totally agree with you. … I revere sports. So, the issue of fairness is completely legit." The Associated Press noted that Newsom played varsity baseball as a college student.
Newsom also said the discussion was about more than competitive advantage. He said there is also a humility and a grace in recognizing that transgender people are "more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression, and the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with, as well," and that he could hold both things in his hand at the same time: addressing the issue with decency while also dealing with the unfairness.
On the program, Newsom also pointed out that the California law allowing transgender athletes to compete consistent with their gender identity was established in 2014, years before he became governor. The Associated Press reported that the law requires California schools to allow transgender student athletes to play on school sports teams consistent with their gender identity, that Republican state lawmakers had introduced bills in the Legislature this year to ban the practice, and that the governor's office declined to comment on the proposals, saying Newsom does not typically weigh in on pending legislation.
The remarks drew sharp rebukes from LGBTQ+ advocates and some fellow Democrats. Assemblyman Chris Ward and state Sen. Carolina Menjivar, who lead the California Legislative LGBTQ Caucus, said they woke up "profoundly sickened and frustrated by these remarks." Tony Hoang, executive director of Equality California, said he was "disappointed and angered" by Newsom's statements and that they "added to the heartbreak and fear" the transgender community feels under the Trump administration.
Newsom has long positioned himself as a social progressive. In 2004, as mayor of San Francisco, he drew national attention for the first time by directing the city clerk to begin issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples. The Associated Press reported that his approach on the podcast marked a different political tack from that long-standing stance.
At the federal level, President Trump had signed Executive Order 14201, "Keeping Men Out of Women's Sports," on February 5, 2025, defining eligibility for women's sports by sex.
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图片来源：图：加利福尼亚州州长纽森在州长讲台前发表讲话（2025年5月14日住房新闻发布会资料图，非播客录制现场）。图：加州州长办公室，公共领域，via Wikimedia Commons / Photo: California Governor Gavin Newsom speaks at the governor's podium (file photo from a housing press conference on May 14, 2025; not the podcast recording). Photo: Office of the Governor of California, public domain, via Wikimedia Commons
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