桑切斯在西班牙最火播客谈休达危机：无证据指责摩洛哥，九成入境者已经离境
西班牙首相桑切斯接受西班牙最受欢迎的播客节目《The Wild Project》主持人 Jordi Wild 的专访，节目11月13日上线，首播时有超过13.5万人同时在线观看。在近两小时的访谈中，桑切斯集中谈到今年7月底的休达移民危机、两起高铁事故以及涉及多名政党人物的腐败案件；正值大选竞选开跑之日，这场访谈被视为他争取年轻选民的重要一站。
休达是西班牙在北非的自治市，与摩洛哥接壤。7月30日至31日，超过8万人越境涌入休达。桑切斯在访谈中说，国家情报中心此前提醒过移民流动与网络传言的变化，但没有情报预警会出现如此规模的涌入；他至今没有信息可以指责摩洛哥政府策划了这次事件，并说摩洛哥方面当时同样被局势压得措手不及，是在边境协助管控。他说，政府当时面临两难：对赤手空拳的年轻人（其中许多是未成年人）动武，还是先把人接下来再让他们离开；目前入境者中已有九成离开休达。他还承认政府最初的应对不够好，表示休达居民应享有与马德里居民同等的保护。
铁路方面，桑切斯说，西班牙九个月内发生两起如此严重的高铁事故「不可接受」，两起共造成115人死亡，其中10月28日托莱多省乌尔达的事故造成69人死亡；他为西班牙铁路系统的整体安全辩护，并说交通大臣奥斯卡·普恩特在众议院接受质询后辞职是「恰当的」决定。
桑切斯还说，移民为西班牙贡献了25%的经济增长，融合是移民政策的主要课题；谈到前首相萨帕特罗牵涉的案件时，他表示完全相信其清白。人民党主席费霍奥也接受了同一节目的专访，呼声党主席阿瓦斯卡尔则取消了录制。
（来源：The Wild Project 播客）
On Spain's Biggest Podcast, Sánchez Says There Is No Proof Morocco Orchestrated the Ceuta Influx
Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez sat for an interview with Jordi Wild, host of The Wild Project, Spain's most-listened-to podcast, released on November 13 with more than 135,000 people watching the premiere live. In the nearly two-hour conversation, Sánchez focused on the Ceuta migration crisis of late July, two high-speed rail accidents and corruption cases touching figures in his party — an appearance, on the first day of the general election campaign, widely read as a bid for young voters.
Ceuta is a Spanish autonomous city on the North African coast, bordering Morocco. On July 30–31, more than 80,000 people crossed into Ceuta. Sánchez said the National Intelligence Centre had flagged changes in migration flows and online rumours, but no intelligence warned of an influx of that scale; he said he still has no information allowing him to accuse the Moroccan government of orchestrating the episode, adding that Morocco was itself overwhelmed and helped manage the border. The government, he said, faced a dilemma between using force against unarmed young people — many of them minors — or taking them in and letting them leave afterwards; nine in ten of those who entered have since left Ceuta. He acknowledged the initial response was not good enough and said Ceuta residents deserve the same protection as people in Madrid.
On rail safety, Sánchez said it was "not acceptable" for Spain to suffer two such serious high-speed accidents in nine months, which killed 115 people in total, including 69 in the October 28 crash at Urda, in Toledo province. He defended the overall safety of Spain's rail system and called Transport Minister Óscar Puente's resignation, after appearing before Congress, the right decision.
Sánchez also said immigration accounts for 25% of Spain's economic growth and that integration is the central migration challenge, and he said he fully believes in the innocence of former prime minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero in the case touching him. People's Party leader Alberto Núñez Feijóo also recorded an interview with the same programme, while Vox leader Santiago Abascal cancelled his appearance.
(Source: The Wild Project podcast)
来源：The Wild Project 播客
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图片来源：图：桑切斯在休达塔拉哈尔边境的监控中心，与国民警卫队和国家警察负责人查看边境画面。Pool Moncloa／Borja Puig de la Bellacasa 摄，署名授权，经 Wikimedia Commons。 / Photo: Sánchez at the surveillance centre on Ceuta's Tarajal border with Guardia Civil and National Police commanders. By Pool Moncloa / Borja Puig de la Bellacasa, Attribution, via Wikimedia Commons.
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